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LO AND ORDER dives into the critical issues impacting law enforcement professionals and the communities they protect. Hosted by Lolita Harper, we provide insightful discussions on topics that matter most to our public safety members, offering a behind-the-scenes look at the challenges and triumphs of those who serve.
Episodes
Tuesday Mar 03, 2026
Tuesday Mar 03, 2026
SEBA Chief Executive Officer Lolita Harper sits down with retired San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Sergeant James Snow—woodworker, mentor, and author of The Pivot: A Guide to Moving Forward When the Mission Changes. After a 28½-year career spanning patrol, narcotics, SWAT, traffic, and academy leadership, Snow reflects on what happens when the mission changes and who you are when the badge comes off.
From burnout and over-identification with the job to leadership, culture, and accountability, Snow speaks candidly about the warning signs officers often ignore. He shares how trauma accumulates over time, why excellence without balance can cost you your family, and how failing to build a life outside the profession can leave you lost after retirement.
More than a retirement conversation, this episode is about identity. It’s about taking care of your people, setting boundaries, asking for help when you need it, and remembering that what you do is not who you are.
To learn more about James Snow, visit: https://snow-woodworks.com/
Click here to learn more about The Pivot: A Guide to Moving Forward When the Mission Changes.
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Wednesday Jan 28, 2026
Wednesday Jan 28, 2026
SEBA Chief Executive Officer Lolita Harper sits down with Nick Tavoukjian, a human performance specialist and current Athletic Trainer embedded at Santa Ana PD through O2X. With decades of experience in injury prevention and performance optimization, Nick breaks down what it really takes to keep law enforcement officers healthy, mobile, and mission-ready.
From pre-academy recruits to 20-year veterans, Nick shares how small, individualized changes—backed by science—can drastically improve career longevity and wellness outcomes. He offers real-world insights into injury patterns, the tactical demands of duty belts and patrol cars, and the gap between rehab and real-world readiness.
More than just stretches and sets, this episode is about building a culture of proactive care—one rep, one shift, and one percent better at a time.
Full episode available on Apple Podcasts & Spotify
Watch the full video on YouTube: @sebasbcounty
To learn more about O2X, visit: https://www.o2x.com
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Monday Dec 01, 2025
Monday Dec 01, 2025
SEBA Executive Director Lolita Harper sits down with Deputy Caroline Norat—a 20-year law enforcement veteran and world-class jiu-jitsu athlete who reshaped her life through discipline, consistency, and a deep love for the sport
What started as a personal challenge quickly evolved into a lifestyle. Jiu-jitsu became a source of strength, confidence, and community—fueling Caroline’s success as both a decorated competitor and department instructor. Today, she helps fellow deputies build skills and resilience through hands-on training and programs that empower from the ground up.
You can find Caroline on Instagram at @carloine.norat
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Thursday Oct 23, 2025
Thursday Oct 23, 2025
In this episode of Lo and Order, SEBA Executive Director Lolita Harper sits down with Sgt. Ian “Goldie” Golditch—a Navy veteran, respected San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Sergeant, and owner of Redlands Fit Body Boot Camp—for a powerful, wide-ranging conversation on leadership, fitness, humility, and what it means to truly serve.
From boot camp at age 30 to leading with empathy in uniform, Goldie shares the origin of his work ethic, how he overcomes setbacks, and why he believes physical discipline creates emotional strength. With heart and humor, he breaks down how fitness changed his life and why he refuses to lead with fear.
To learn more about Goldie, follow him on Instagram at @goldieactual or at Redlands Fit Body Boot Camp
Episode Highlights:
00:00 – Intro: Who is “Goldie”?
Lolita introduces Sgt. Ian Golditch and his relentless reputation for hard work and positivity.
02:15 – The Origin of Discipline
From Navy boot camp at 30 to toilet-cleaning pride, Goldie shares how his mindset was forged.
07:40 – Neck Injury & Course Correction
A football injury reroutes his life—and leads him to law enforcement.
12:30 – Becoming the Sergeant He Never Had
How good and bad leaders shaped his own leadership philosophy.
19:15 – Trust, Presence & Loyalty
Goldie explains how real leadership is built through presence—not rank.
24:40 – Fitness as a Mission
Why he started Redlands Fit Body Boot Camp—and how it helps him serve even beyond the badge.
30:00 – Food Addiction, Cinnabon & Discipline
A brutally honest look at nutrition, cravings, and why it's not about being extreme—it’s about being committed.
36:10 – Peanut Butter & Jelly Leadership
Creative thinking, trust in junior deputies, and why different methods still get the job done.
42:00 – Mistakes, Grace & Letting People Fail Forward
Goldie breaks down how he creates an environment where deputies feel safe to grow and fail.
48:20 – Kids, Cadets & the Next Generation
Why investing in new recruits—and even those not yet hired—is the foundation of the future.
54:00 – Leading with Love
Why empathy, grace, and humility are the true marks of strength—not ego or fear.
01:00:10 – Fitness, Motivation & Getting Uncomfortable
Burpees, fasting, and the power of doing hard things to build a stronger life.
01:07:30 – Three Nuggets of Wisdom
Seeds of success, embracing the suck, and leading with your heart—even if it’s not always understood.
Wednesday Jun 25, 2025
Wednesday Jun 25, 2025
In this episode of Lo and Order, SEBA Executive Director Lolita Harper sits down with renowned labor and defense attorney Michael Schwartz—one of the most respected legal advocates for law enforcement officers across California. Together, they dive deep into due process, legal misconceptions, and the challenges peace officers face in today’s rapidly shifting media landscape.
Schwartz reflects on his early days as a public defender, what led him to defend law enforcement, and how his unwavering commitment to the Constitution drives his work. They also unpack the rise of politically motivated prosecutions, the dangers of rushed statements, and why having the right legal representation can make all the difference when a split-second decision is scrutinized for years to come.
From officer-involved shootings to public perception, this is an unfiltered look at the legal system through the eyes of one of its fiercest defenders.
To learn more about Michael Schwartz, visit: https://www.themichaelschwartzfirm.com/criminal-law/
Topics Covered:
02:30 – From Defender to Defender
Schwartz shares his journey from public defender to representing law enforcement.
06:15 – Due Process and Why It Matters
He breaks down the difference between defending the guilty vs. the innocent and the importance of forcing the government to prove its case.
11:40 – Today’s Law Enforcement
Discussion about media bias, social narratives, and the shift in public trust toward officers.
18:05 – The Realities of Use of Force
Schwartz explains the legal and practical differences in use-of-force encounters for officers.
24:00 – The Power of Perception and Misconception
A conversation on non-compliance, misinformation, and the expectation that all force can be de-escalated.
31:10 – Legal Advice and Representation
Why officers must have representation immediately after a critical incident—and what not to do.
38:25 – Public Safety Statements and Legal Risk
Schwartz warns against rushed or informal statements and shares real-world examples where they backfired.
45:00 – DOJ Investigations and Lack of Experience
The challenges of newer DOJ protocols and the risk of being scrutinized by inexperienced investigators.
52:00 – The Cost of Not Calling
A case where an officer wisely withheld a statement—resulting in acquittal and a new career path.
56:30 – Trust Your Attorney
Final advice to law enforcement: representation isn’t a threat—it’s protection.
59:00 – Closing Reflections
Lolita Harper and Schwartz discuss the future of the profession and why SEBA exists.
Wednesday May 21, 2025
Wednesday May 21, 2025
In this episode of Lo and Order, SEBA Executive Director Lolita Harper sits down with Riverside County Sheriff—and now California gubernatorial candidate—Chad Bianco for a wide-ranging and deeply personal conversation.
From his early days in undercover narcotics to leading one of California’s largest sheriff’s departments, Bianco shares why he’s trading in a “perfect job” to run for governor. With honesty, grit, and candor, he opens up about leadership, government accountability, and the cost of political apathy—both personal and statewide.
Together, they explore California’s growing exodus, the waste behind the state’s homelessness crisis, and what real reform would look like in Sacramento—from repealing SB 54 to eliminating the state income tax.
Whether you agree with him or not, one thing’s certain: Bianco isn’t in this for the title—he’s in it for the people.
To learn more about the Riverside County Sheriff’s Office, visit: riversidesheriff.org
To learn more about Sheriff Bianco’s gubernatorial campaign, visit: biancoforgovernor.com
Topics Covered:
05:00 – From Sheriff to Candidate
Bianco reflects on his career, core values, and why he’s stepping up to run for governor.
14:30 – Accountability in Law Enforcement and Politics
How internal affairs shaped his leadership style—and why Sacramento lacks that same accountability.
25:15 – California’s Exodus and Economic Crisis
A candid look at rising costs, broken infrastructure, and his bold plan to eliminate the state income tax.
35:50 – Tackling Homelessness and Government Waste
Why $24 billion later, the system is worse—and how to fix it with transparency and enforcement.
49:00 – The Role of Leadership
Bianco’s philosophy on leading people, not just departments—and what Sacramento needs now.
1:02:00 – Repealing SB 54 and Protecting Communities
Why sanctuary policies backfire, and how immigration reform could be both humane and effective.
1:15:00 – Campaigns, Smear Tactics, and Staying Grounded
Bianco addresses misinformation, attack ads, and staying true to his values in the spotlight.
1:27:00 – Passion, Grief, and the Law Enforcement Memorial
An emotional reflection on leadership during tragedy—and why that moment changed him forever.
1:41:00 – A Message to Voters
His final appeal: Why character still matters, and how he hopes to serve all Californians, not just a party.
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Wednesday Apr 23, 2025
Wednesday Apr 23, 2025
In this episode of Lo and Order, SEBA Executive Director Lolita Harper sits down with San Bernardino Police Chief Darren Goodman to unpack the heated debate surrounding education mandates in law enforcement.
From his unique journey through USC, Harvard, and beyond, Chief Goodman shares why a college degree shouldn’t be the golden ticket into policing—and how Sacramento’s top-down policies are missing the mark.
Together, they explore the real-world consequences of a "one-size-fits-all" academic requirement, the dangers of legislating from flawed premises, and how removing life experience from the badge equation could cost communities far more than politicians realize.
Learn More about the San Bernardino Police Department: https://www.sbcity.org/412/Police-Department
Follow Police Chief Darren Goodman: https://x.com/SBPD_CHIEF
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Wednesday Mar 26, 2025
Wednesday Mar 26, 2025
In this powerful discussion, San Bernardino County District Attorney Jason Anderson sits down with SEBA Executive Director Lolita Harper to unpack the complexities of the justice system, the challenges of criminal legislation, and how law enforcement and prosecutors can work together to create safer communities.
From the impact of Prop 36 to the future of crime prevention, this is a must-watch conversation for anyone invested in public safety, justice, and the rule of law.
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Wednesday Mar 12, 2025
Wednesday Mar 12, 2025
The Brief: In this Lo & Order, SEBA Executive Director Lolita Harper dives into the ever-shifting political landscape, using Governor Gavin Newsom as a prime example of why politicians can’t always be trusted. Once a vocal supporter of defunding the police, Newsom has now done a complete 180—denouncing the movement he once championed. But was he ever really on board?
Lolita pulls back the curtain on Sacramento politics, exposing how elected officials often say one thing in front of the cameras while admitting something entirely different behind closed doors. As Newsom eyes a bigger national stage, his policy pivots raise a critical question: Are our leaders guided by principles, or just chasing poll numbers?
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Wednesday Mar 12, 2025
Wednesday Mar 12, 2025
The Brief: Law enforcement has faced years of political weaponization, leaving officers caught in the crossfire of partisan agendas. We're making this message in response to recent press inquiries about preemptive pardons and their impact on law enforcement.
The hypocrisy is exhausting—leaders who once defunded and disrespected police are now pretending to champion law enforcement, using us as a political weapon to attack their opponents. This isn’t about taking sides; it’s about standing up for the men and women who serve with integrity and asking for the respect they deserve. Stop using law enforcement as a political tool—our profession and communities deserve better
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